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#1 Posted at 2011-04-20 05:39        
     
Mainly its about the Helicopters, And mainly the Blackhawk.

Alright lets get started .. So ive have Arma 2 CO with BAF and PMC since about 2010 October if not earlier. Even though ive played this wonderful game so much i have never mastered Flying.

I took the bootcamp for flying ingame and to be honest i learned very very very little. Just the controlls and flying to checkpoints. I sometimes try to fly in Domination to transport Infantry to the AO but i mess up. Can anyone help?

The main problems i have is listed below.

1.)I get stressed ingame so sometimes my Heli just leans right or left or just mainly messes up because ofcourse i get stressed.
2.)I dont understand how to land properly i just land and break my MROT and ENG all the time .. Jeez
3.)How high should i fly? How fast .. That too. Often i plan to land somewhere but i miss the spot because i didnt land on time.

Thanks for reading and for the help mates.

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#2 Posted at 2011-04-20 05:45        
     
Erm ... lol id suggest you give up flying and take some strong medicenes for your stress level! :-D

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#3 Posted at 2011-04-20 05:54        
     
# DarkXess : Erm ... lol id suggest you give up flying and take some strong medicenes for your stress level! :-D

I get stressed because i know if i crash that about 8 people will be yelling for me to fuck off.

I want to fly sooooo bad. Because often in AO i get quite alot of lag. So transporting my team would be a nice choice since i atleast contribute to something.


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#4 Posted at 2011-04-20 06:13        
     
Just practice some of your flying in the editor. Learn the limits of what the aircraft can do. So that way no one will yell at you.

# Veniathan : 3.)How high should i fly? How fast .. That too. Often i plan to land somewhere but i miss the spot because i didnt land on time.

If you fly High then you should be able to go the MAX speed the rotor-craft should be able to go. (Speeds Very depending on the aircraft) The down side to flying high is your very vulnerable to AA. (I know you have countermeasures, But they wont always be there)

If you fly low, you don't want to go the MAX speed. But a speed your more comfortable with.

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#5 Posted at 2011-04-20 07:51        
     
Try to not to go fast when you are near your lz. Also when you land try to pull the nose up a little and press Z. So you wont go up. That also depends on your speed. when you are near the ground try not nail your heli in the ground xD Just slowly pres Z.

Also what haystack15 said practice in the editor.

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#6 Posted at 2011-04-20 08:06        
     
Thank you.

Delta that tip was really useful. Kinda helped me .. Finaly! :D


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#7 Posted at 2011-04-20 08:25        
     
What I did to improve, and actually get quite good at flying the choppers is set up my own practice senerios. First I would simply put a helipad in the open, fly a ways away, and come smoking in to try land as fast as I could. At first i would always overshoot, ending up a mile high from slowing down too fast, and way off target. Keep doing it with the same aircraft until you have it down.

Then I put the helipad in more difficult areas like a small clearing, and finally, places where only a little bird would fit, not even the pad itself. Also, put some enemies around to make the approach less forgiving when you're comfortable.
Some main pointers I can give you are:

Practice (obviously)

Fly like it's real, don't do things that you don't think a real pilot would do. Arma has a very realisic flying model, and you should fly realisticly, it helps.

When you turn, there are secondary and tertiary effects. These can cause a crash, or end up being a "slick move". For example, instead of going nose-up to slow down, thus gaining unwanted altitude, turn the chipper sideways and go nose-up in the horizontal plane; just right the chopper before you fall out of the sky. The UH-60 especially is slow to get back straight. On the flip side, turning too fast will cause the same thing, making your high-speed turn end up as a big crash, or a hover when you need to haul!

Remember that it is not necessary to constantly add power until it is time to slow down, adapt your style to be under full power, this allows you to increase power in situation that warrants it.

Learn to crash-land AKA autorotation landing. This is when you are "shot down" and have no engine power. Basically stop, fall as fast as you can, and push up at last second, the rotor speed gained from falling will give you a couple seconds of lift to land softly, and even hover for a wee bit. Also, it's easy but most ppl are impressed by it ;)

learn the three main controls of real choppers and what they do, arma emulates them.

Do not use your tail rotor for anything other than kicking the tail over, think if it that way, not to point the nose.

All effects are the same no matter how the heli is situated in the 3D world. Pointing straight up, and at a low airspeed will allow you to kick over the tail with the pedals, thus making you go nose down, them pull out of it for a hasty turnaround with plenty of speed maintained.

If you need to go down fast, fall.....sideways.

If you really want to test your co-ordination, try flying backwards in a pre-determined path.
Flying in and out of hangers in first person is good to learn how big your chopper is, and how much it reacts to input.

Most of this sounds really hard, I know, I crashed and gave up on the boot camp missions before too, but you'll be there before you know it, and dude it is fun!

Also, one of the biggest things that I can tell you is do not use autohover. To get good, you need to know how your aircraft reacts, autohover will not let you learn how much to correct for slow speed and hover.

When I say don't do things a real pilot wouldn't do, I mean at first. Arma helis don't have the problems of engine overspeed, main/tail rotor collisions, stress on components, etc. In real, choppers are not as durable as in arma.

Also, practice hovering in one spot, just above a fixed object for a while. Then moving very slow in a straight line and constant speed, but turning the nose in different directions.

I'm sure with some time, you'll be ripping up the skies in no time!
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#8 Posted at 2011-04-21 18:11        
     
Mkay. So you might have trouble with the controls. Don't do what Delta said. Change your controls so they aren't BS. Z? Who the freak decided to make Z a flying control? Go to your controls and change increase throttle to W, decrease throttle to S, left rudder to A, right rudder to D, nose down to forward on mouse, nose up to backward on mouse, pitch left to left on mouse, pitch right to right on mouse.

For the nose up and nose down, try and reverse the controls and see if you like my original better or the reverse better. (personal preference)

Now, I say you use those controls because they are very familiar to you. You look around with them, you walk with them, you run with them, and you kill with them. So, why not fly with them?


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#9 Posted at 2011-04-21 18:20        
     
Cant agree with those controls Ravenhold.... using the mouse should only be when firing, here's my layout, which default btw

W = nose down
S = nose Up
A = Roll left
D = Roll right

Q = Increase throttle [with ArmA II used to be page up so I added as back up, though I have no accustomed to Q]
Z = Decrease throttle [with ArmA II used to be page down so I added as back up, though I have no accustomed to Z]

X = Rudder left
C = Rudder right

And if you think those controls are silly check out this video.... to see how well I fly with them. Just noticed this was more for the rotary type aircraft so check this one out.


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#10 Posted at 2011-04-21 18:23        
     
My controls for flying are a xbox controller set to default. I just needed to assign a key for the countermeasures. I also removed the vibration motors so that it doesn't vibrate and flop all over the desk when I'm not using it.

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#11 Posted at 2011-04-21 21:21        
     
Hi Veniathan,

If your interested in really learning to fly, my clan has a flight training mission that we set up to teach our pilots.
It was designed so that we could teach people how to do pretty much everything you can with a chopper and a jet.
Its also set up to cover emergancy landing with no engines and damaged anti torque rotors, missile avoidance etc.

So, if your up for it pop on our TS3 193.200.158.176:9987 and Ill teach you how to fly. I love doing it and I dont often get the chance :)


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#12 Posted at 2011-04-22 08:55        
     
I agree.
the only thing that can make you improve at flying is practicing, practicing, and practicing again.

1st, you need to get familiar with command and chopper: learn to take off and land, try to do tactic flight (means fast and close to the ground), try to land on the top of buildings etc...

use the editor for that.

when you get used to your chopper, then you can begin to load and unload troops, or put some enemies who will shoot at you, so that you can train to avoid them etc...

try all of the choppers:

transport, and attack.

for the blackhawk for example, try to make a squad load to your chopper, then go to a waypoint and unload them.
you also can put enemies, and then, fly in cricle in your BH for your gunners to shoot them.

a lot of things are possible


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#13 Posted at 2011-04-23 00:37        
     
# Le_Cardinal : I agree.
the only thing that can make you improve at flying is practicing, practicing, and practicing again.

1st, you need to get familiar with command and chopper: learn to take off and land, try to do tactic flight (means fast and close to the ground), try to land on the top of buildings etc...

use the editor for that.
Yeah, ArmA is great for all the gameplay possibilities it offers...
As Le_Cardinal said the key is practise (it's the key for almost everything lol).
I consider myself a pretty good pilot (choppers 8-) ) and i've started with ArmA 1...
Try to do some load/unload of troops in the editor. I think it's pretty good for taking familiarity with controls (that you can change in options, maybe you would use an xbox joypad or PS3's one... it can be done with some drivers. Google it). Try to land on helipads to improve your precision.
Oh and try to don't use the autohover if you want to begin a pro lol (First times it should be better to enable it)


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#14 Posted at 2011-04-23 07:04        
     
after playing blazing angles for a few days then coming back to arma made my helicopter flying way better for some odd reason.

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#15 Posted at 2011-05-07 04:41        
     
Does anyone use a joystick and rudder pedals on this sim?






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