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#16 Posted at 2011-05-10 17:42        
     
I've noticed the choppers tend to rotate unnaturally, then again I've never flown an AH in real life so what the hell do I know?

I've been an avid Flight Simmer for years (MS Flight Sim) and never experienced this with realistic physics and weather engines. Are vehicles affected by wind etc?


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#17 Posted at 2011-05-13 22:52        
     
# Veniathan : Mainly its about the Helicopters, And mainly the Blackhawk.

Alright lets get started .. So ive have Arma 2 CO with BAF and PMC since about 2010 October if not earlier. Even though ive played this wonderful game so much i have never mastered Flying.

I took the bootcamp for flying ingame and to be honest i learned very very very little. Just the controlls and flying to checkpoints. I sometimes try to fly in Domination to transport Infantry to the AO but i mess up. Can anyone help?

The main problems i have is listed below.

1.)I get stressed ingame so sometimes my Heli just leans right or left or just mainly messes up because ofcourse i get stressed.
2.)I dont understand how to land properly i just land and break my MROT and ENG all the time .. Jeez
3.)How high should i fly? How fast .. That too. Often i plan to land somewhere but i miss the spot because i didnt land on time.

Thanks for reading and for the help mates.

This might help :)

http://www.helis.com/howflies/ontheair.php


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#18 Posted at 2011-06-22 17:27        
     
It is a matter of practice first. I have also totally remapped my keyboard and joystick.
In combat it is a very bad idea to fly high as you are exposed. Therefore I have learned to obey the 30-30 rule. Fly under 30 feet under 30mph. Use the terrain to mask your movements. You should be able to fly under power lines into and out of hangers and of course make landings without use of autopilot. I use a combination of joystick and keyboard commands in a way that make full utilization of both hands working in unison.
Each platform has it's own flight characteristics and one would do well to spend much time in one before moving on to the next. The AH-64 is good to start with as she is heavy and handles like a pregnant cow. Remember she is heavy and it takes time to respond.


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#19 Posted at 2011-06-23 22:52        
     
For take-off, first turn on auto-hover (to ensure a clean lift) and disable it when you have reached, oh, say, 50m height. Once you've gotten the hang of takeoff, you don't really need Auto-hover. Also, it doesn't hurt to pop some flares when taking off to ensure your cargo remains safe.

When flying, try to keep your angle around -15 degrees, this usually ensures the best balance of speed increase and altitude maintenance, you should probably make the angle more downward with light helis and less with big ones.

When landing, use the thrust decrease key (Z by default) and pitch up really high to rapidly decrease speed. The level-off speed is around 30kmh for the UH-60/Mi-8/Mi-24. For the Little Bird, it tends to be more like 20kmh, and with the Chinhook, it's around 40kmh (i may have mixed up the little bird and CH-47 speeds. once you've leveled off, make small adjustments to your position for maximum accuracy in your drop point. Then descend. Once you hit 50m height, slow your descent with the Thrust Increase button (Q by default). then when you feel you're going slow enough, start TAPPING the Thrust decrease key. Once you've toughed down, wait until you're sure all cargo is gone. Also, for a combat zone drop, you don't have to touch the ground, you can just hover a bit above (1m-2m is best) and your cargo can just use the bail out function. If you're transporting vehicles in a Chinhook, though, you HAVE to touch the ground.

That's it, just practice in the editor and refer to this little guide for help. I encourage you to try and develop your own methods, though.

(PS i got good at chopper flying with the attack helis, the pressure of no cargo (other than your gunner) really makes it easier.


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#20 Posted at 2011-11-15 01:58        
     
During Landing, hover your chopper if you are about 200-300 meters away from your landing area. Then press the "enter" key on the numpad to activate the 3rd person view. You can now see what's below on your chopper and you can tap the "w" key until you are above the landing zone. Gradually press the "page down" key until you touchdown.

Furthermore, if you are a pilot of any aircraft, once you are on the cockpit, press first the "*" key on the numpad. You will notice that you can now look freely to any direction without hampering the controls of your aircraft, even when you move your mouse, the flight of your aircraft will not be affected. I do this to every aircraft available in this game and i can even land it on the aircraft carrier without any hassle.


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#21 Posted at 2011-11-15 02:33        
     
# Rex Ursus : It is a matter of practice first. I have also totally remapped my keyboard and joystick.
In combat it is a very bad idea to fly high as you are exposed. Therefore I have learned to obey the 30-30 rule. Fly under 30 feet under 30mph. Use the terrain to mask your movements. You should be able to fly under power lines into and out of hangers and of course make landings without use of autopilot. I use a combination of joystick and keyboard commands in a way that make full utilization of both hands working in unison.
Each platform has it's own flight characteristics and one would do well to spend much time in one before moving on to the next. The AH-64 is good to start with as she is heavy and handles like a pregnant cow. Remember she is heavy and it takes time to respond.
I Argue that the CH47 is much better for learning to fly because it is more stable when hovering
and also seems to handle like a wollymamouth


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#22 Posted at 2011-11-15 15:04        
     
Auto Hover is a good start for take off and landings, once you got that you can take off and land without using it.

Trying to stand still (you cant 100% even with auto hover) is a challange depending on the chopper, as stated before the AH-64 is the best chopper to practice with. Its easy to fly and fastest to learn on, same with the UH-60 blackhawk.

The heaviest chopper for me is the MI-17, its heavy but its fast once you get up in speed and you can trust it like you trust your parents :)

If you use keyboard only, the best chopper to test is still the AH-64, you can master it with both keyboard and with a joystick. The AH-64 must be the easiest chopper to fly and also the fastest to learn on

So start with the AH-64 and once you mastered the take off, landing and flying you would practice flying on low altitude and try to "stop" somewhere behind a hill and prepare to attack an area :)


This is my tips when i practiced flying


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#23 Posted at 2012-01-06 19:48        
     
# Tanker : Does anyone use a joystick and rudder pedals on this sim?
Yup, I use my Saitek X-45 when flying. I revered the throttle stick assignments to mimic real helis. (pulling back for lift). I found this much more natural for myself. It's a little quirky for jets, but I find very few maps use them and most of the time, I don't need to fiddle with the throttle. I do have the rudder pedals as well but have not used them with Arma2. The X45 has rudder toggle on the throttle.
For me, I would suggest getting a cheaper joystick to do your flying. You might find it feels more "natural". If you're not sure, ask a buddy who might have a stick for you to try before you buy.
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PS You could also ask around for flying maps. I know some clans have released "training" maps before.


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#24 Posted at 2012-01-07 10:37        
     
I think the problem in your case is very obvious. You don't have the smallest idea how the helicopters work. It's not as easy like flying planes for example where you bank right and the plane goes right. I saw that you have problems with the helicopter when it starts spinning...I can think of 1 thing you're doing wrong...you're going fast and you're turning the helicopter (Z or C keys)...in order to do this you either have to fly extremely slow or use o combination of maneuvers (banking the helicopter right, pointing the nose down, "accelerating" and turning the plane right, all of them at the same time...of course adjustments will be needed)...so as I said, try to learn and understand how a helicopter fly's (it's very hard for me to believe that you don't know anything about helicopters) and then practice


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#25 Posted at 2014-01-03 02:49        
     
# Tanker : Does anyone use a joystick and rudder pedals on this sim?

I've had all the ARMA games for a while now and am starting to play them through. I always do the boot camp thing and am currently in the helicopter part of basic.

I am using a TrackIR, Saitek Combat Flight Pedals, and the Saitek AV8R Pacific joystick. (I have an X-45 I want to try after I get flying with a more basic stick sorted out because the X-45 had way more controls I can move to it. I like the pacific for WWII planes because it isn't too gizmo'ed out). It is a GREAT experience when I'm tuned into the game, taking my time and using a light touch. I especially love the TrackIR and the ability to look around without hat switches or mouse-look.

I do need to get the individual axis sensitivities adjusted because I do have some problems flying. I can end up in way too steep an angle trying to nose down descend and recovering from a dive (unintentional)- well, my WWI crates in Rise of Flight do a better job of pulling out of a dive. The bird also seems a bit 'tippy' where just a touch too much stick sideways turns the bird over and things go to- the ground. Someone else commented about not pointing with pedals- I love my pedals for feathering to keep me lined up with my 'target' when coming in for a landing. I also use it in auto-hover to do a 360 degree scan of my location.

I think once I get the thing to fly predictably after I get the sensitivity issue resolved, meaningful practice will come into play where I can concentrate on the mission. I just wish I didn't have to go thru the whole "What do you want to do, Coop?" over and over after each crash.

If anybody else out there is using a similar stick, would you share your settings on those sensitivity parameters? I'm not sure if it moves a set amount with each click- for example, in Testdrive Unlimited 2 it takes 10 mouse clicks to span a sensitivity adjustment from minimum to maximum. So maybe how many clicks set Y, X, and Z from minimum of from default.

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