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#136 Posted at 2012-09-13 22:49        
     
# rafael52 : I meant that if it is real that they took those photos or videos or whatever it was and if they broke a written law they should be punished.

I think we all agree on that. No one says they should be released unharmed if they have broken the law. And yes, it's not important if they know about the law or not.

Now that Article 5a probably doesn't apply to foreign people but to Greece citiziens. :)
And "National Security" can be anything, depending on the situation.

However, we don't know what is on these photos. And if there is one thing I don't trust, then it's official sources and the mainstream press. :)


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#137 Posted at 2012-09-13 22:53        
     
# Tony Grunt : They weren't arrested at the airfield but at Plati, which is quite far from the airport (19km town to airfield by road).
Ok, well, that than begs of me to ask wtf are they doing there to begin with? If they're sea launched, they'd more than likely remain on any ship unless its going to be docked for an extended period of time.
If they're air launched they're miles away from any potential aircraft that can use them. I mean, 2+2 still equals 4 right? There's just not something quite right about this. I'll put it to you like this,, I had the same exact feeling a few years back when our President stated that he ordered the rescue of the Maersk Alabama's Captain. Ummmmm, with all do respect Mr. Prez, no you didn't.

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# W0lle :
However, we don't know what is on these photos. And if there is one thing I don't trust, then it's official sources and the mainstream press. :)
Man, you can say that again. =P


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#138 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:02        
     
Sorry if I equated defencenet.gr (probably what we both mean) with a blog but for me official is what info comes from the Greek government/justice.
Also reporters getting direct quotes or an interview.

Are Czech news sending any reporters, because here in Greece I don't see any followup for the story?


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#139 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:04        
     
# W0lle : I think we all agree on that. No one says they should be released unharmed if they have broken the law. And yes, it's not important if they know about the law or not.

Now that Article 5a probably doesn't apply to foreign people but to Greece citiziens. :)
And "National Security" can be anything, depending on the situation.

However, we don't know what is on these photos. And if there is one thing I don't trust, then it's official sources and the mainstream press. :)

I think that the greek constitution and greek laws are applied to everyone who is in greece.I don't think that a greek can go to england and drive on the right side of the road.And exactly,we don't have a clear picture of what happened yet in order to know if it really is a national security matter or just the dumbness of authorities. :P .You have a point about the official sources and mainstream press...It's true that they don't say the truth every time.I guess we have to wait a little so we can have more info,clear things up and then get back to it.


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#140 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:07        
     
I doubt there's even a Czech Consulate there either, right?


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#141 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:12        
     
There is the Czech Embassy/Consulate in Athens which for technical reasons is closed on 13/9-14/9 (any conspiracy theories?).

# Derk Yall : Wait, they weren't arrested in the area of a military base as it was reported before? Does it mean, that they were in a civilian town, when the local authorities arrested them?
It just means that they were arrested in the general of area of Plati as reported in the Greek police report. The mention of the town was just to make an approximated distance to to the airport.


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#142 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:15        
     
# Tony Grunt : There is the Czech Embassy/Consulate in Athens which for technical reasons is closed on 13/9-14/9 (any conspiracy theories?).
Other than the Czech Navy launching an amphibious assault? Nah, not that I can think of! *JOKINGLY* :-D


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#143 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:19        
     
I don't think that a greek can go to england and drive on the right side of the road.
You can, the question is only for how long and if it's healthy for you. :-D


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#144 Posted at 2012-09-13 23:42        
     
I still haven't seen any Greek laws that explicitly prohibit taking the photographs they did.


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#145 Posted at 2012-09-14 00:15        
     
Should have registered years ago, but this was getting on my nerves.

The base I guess everyone is talking about is here: 39°52'03.26" N 25°03'59.22" E. Small garrison from the looks of it.

Whatever the base contains I do not find info from defencenet.gr objective and reliable. The only websites I've seen so far quoting them are bloggers & gossip sites (equal to Yahoo, etc.).

Source: http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53697&Itemid=139

But like I said on Gamespot
I really can't understand the charges of espionage, but what I can understand is that they don't like having people taking pictures of military installations without asking.

However, we do not know what pictures were taken, where exactly they were taken from nor the situation of this event - only the police and the Czechs knows this, and they too might have different opinions on this matter - and therefor we should be cautious in pre-judging any party of this arrest.

The facts right now are that two men from the Czech Republic, who works for Bohemia Interactive, has been arrested on the island of Lemnos; charged with espionage, due to (but possibly not exclusive) photographic evidence the police has deemed illegal; and that the Czechs had camera equipment with them. Where, what and how is unknown as of now.

Whatever it was, it wouldn't be harder then to delete the pictures, fine them, expel them from Greece a few years and be done with it. Espionage is beyond common sense.

EDIT: Any news from yesterday's/today's hearing?

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#146 Posted at 2012-09-14 00:59        
     
# Colossus : Should have registered years ago, but this was getting on my nerves.

The base I guess everyone is talking about is here: 39°52'03.26" N 25°03'59.22" E. Small garrison from the looks of it.

Whatever the base contains I do not find info from defencenet.gr objective and reliable. The only websites I've seen so far quoting them are bloggers & gossip sites (equal to Yahoo, etc.).

Source: http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53697&Itemid=139

But like I said on Gamespot


Whatever it was, it wouldn't be harder then to delete the pictures, fine them, expel them from Greece a few years and be done with it. Espionage is beyond common sense.

EDIT: Any news from yesterday's/today's hearing?

Ya know, everyones been so busy trying to make sense of it all, I dunno if anyone's checked.

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Well, it appears as if the most current news comes from.................Gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/greek-police-czech-embassy-detail-arma-dev-arrests-6396318
I have to admit, that it seems a little worrisome that according to the video, BIS has "No idea" where the two in question are at the moment.

EDIT- An investigation conducted by the police officers found that the Bohemia Interactive developers were in possession of various audio-visual material with footage from military facilities in Lemnos and the area around it. Upon arrest, the pair reportedly told officers that they were conducting research for Bohemia Interactive's upcoming military shooter Arma III. This material has been seized, while the developers will be taken to the Court of the First Instance in Mytilini.

A statement from the Czech Republic embassy in Athens, Greece confirms that it is "closely following the case," and indicates that the arrested Bohemia Interactive staffers have met with their defense lawyer. The embassy declined to share further information, so as to "avoid any further misunderstanding."

Yesterday, Bohemia Interactive CEO Marek Spanel called the situation an "unfortunate misunderstanding." He said the pair were visiting the island of Lemnos "with the sole purpose of experiencing the island's beautiful surroundings."

"Since its establishment in 1999, Bohemia Interactive has created games based only upon publicly available information," Spanel said at the time. "We always respect the law and we've never instructed anybody to violate the laws of any country. The same is true for Arma III."

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#147 Posted at 2012-09-14 01:41        
     
# GenPatton43 : I have to admit, that it seems a little worrisome that according to the video, BIS has "No idea" where the two in question are at the moment.
First, old video is old, uploaded on September 11 and article doesn't have any new info.
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......asked if the arrested ArmA devs are currently on the Czech Embassy in Greece, a Bohemia Interactive representative told Gamespot,"Unfortunately we have no idea at the moment"
I will make a wild guess, but if they were arrested on the 10th and the video was made on the 11th, the two were probably still in custody. It was the first hours of the case so I don't think it is worrisome that BIS didn't know where exactly they were.


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#148 Posted at 2012-09-14 04:39        
     
Well, thank you for sharing that tidbit of information. So than, to answer Colossus question, there is nothing new taht's been reported about anything from the situation, including their hearing?

EDIT- I guess not.

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#149 Posted at 2012-09-14 12:37        
     
# TheCapulet : I still haven't seen any Greek laws that explicitly prohibit taking the photographs they did.

I told you I cannot find it in the internet in english or greek.If you so much want to find it ask a greek lawyer or I don't know what.


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#150 Posted at 2012-09-14 16:34        
     
# TheCapulet : I still haven't seen any Greek laws that explicitly prohibit taking the photographs they did.

Not every country list all their laws on the internet. ;-)

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