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#391 Posted at 2012-11-15 00:28        
     
Thats hard :'(
Thanks for the update Jerry, I really hope some people over there come to their sences and get this issue resolved. But atm talking to any greek is like explaining some russians what IP is. :-)


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#392 Posted at 2012-11-16 19:04        
     
This is just outrageous. There are no words to describe my anger.............

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#393 Posted at 2012-11-17 00:17        
     
UPDATE!!!!!!

german and english translated video's of the parents :

http://www.helpivanmartin.org/2012/11/czech-primetime-newscoverage/

http://www.helpivanmartin.org/2012/11/ivan-and-martins-appeal-denied-video-statement-from-their-parents/


spread/share these video's to everybody you know!

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call for public protest : Join the street protest against unlawful detention of Ivan and Martin

http://www.helpivanmartin.org/2012/11/join-the-street-protest-against-unlawful-detention-of-ivan-and-martin/


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#394 Posted at 2012-11-17 00:44        
     
Pardon my language, but this is absolute bullshit.


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#395 Posted at 2012-11-17 03:38        
     
this whole issue is starting to get beyond ridiculous, the stupidity of the Greek government is making me sick.

They're paranoid that Iran or Turkey would start spying on them, do they really think that a couple of middle aged Czechs would be the obvious candidates for spies?

Whether they did or didnt accidentally take pictures of a Military base is academic, Greece being an EU Member, you'd think they'd be aware of what a "video game developer" is. apparentley not.

thats just my 2cents.

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# Foxhound : Thats hard :'(
Thanks for the update Jerry, I really hope some people over there come to their sences and get this issue resolved. But atm talking to any greek is like explaining some russians what IP is. :-)

off topic but I've seen just as many Americans/West Euros who either don't know, or don't care about IP. So that's a pretty unfair statement IMO.


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#396 Posted at 2012-11-17 11:13        
     
OK now I just have to say it
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This is going beyond ridiculous

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#397 Posted at 2012-11-17 19:29        
     
@Tonci87
Warning +1. That kind of behaviour is not welcome here. Comment removed.

@Kastrenzo
There is a big difference between how Russia and some other countries respect IP and how a some people from western countries treat it. But, its off topic and its a useless discussion anyway with no winner and only losers cause the non respecting side does never care, no matter where they come from ;-)


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#398 Posted at 2012-11-18 01:56        
     
Oh, those poor men, I fear for the maximum.

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#399 Posted at 2012-11-18 08:35        
     
I still think that some local high brass (military commander, mayor, governour, whatever) just delevoped some hate against BI ("these bastards use our loved island for their pervert war games" or something like that) and when the two poor souls came back for holidays, he took this opportunity to live out his personal vendetta.

After all, saying that someone is a spy is done relatively easy. And in this paranoid Turkey-fear in Greece (or does anyone else in the world actually think that Turkey would invade Greece, even if they hadn't bought all the insanely big pile of military hardware?) that kind of allegation makes all alarm bells ring, so no wonder that you get jailed quickly, "just in case". What "espionage" really is, is usually just a subjective view. E.g. in World War II, British Special Forces landed on the Normandy beaches by night and took photos of the beaches. Often they just showed sand, gravel, a few dunes and maybe a road. But this photos were crucial to plan the D-Day operation.

So if you want to accuse someone of spying, it is relatively easy, if this person has made the usual holiday pictures everyone makes, to call these photos "evidence". And inevitably it takes quite a while for experts to decide if they are really endangering national security or are harmless. During this period, the accused have to rot in jail, and exactly that may be enough satisfation for said person and his vendetta.


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#400 Posted at 2012-11-18 17:45        
     
@Brainbug There is one thing you are right : Turkey CAN'T invade Greece, because :
1.It's one of the most useless army in the whole EU. It has size but it does not have skill.
2.Even if it WERE to invade,Greece has excellent defense and would avert the invasion.
3.Maybe you do not know this but Greece and Turkey doesn't exactly have the best HISTORY as Turkey always tried to take it over.
4. Turkey CONSTANTLY invades Greek Airspace which results in mock-battles between Greek and Turkish Air Force. This is especially disturbing for the civilians living in near islands.
5.The Mayor , (as most Greek Politicians ) is a traitor and a thief stealing from his country. He is not right when he says that it will turn "his" island into a place of war. IT IS ONLY A VIDEOGAME
6.From the reports ,i understand the Police arrested them because they caught them photographing Greek military installations. That is not exactly true because the area they were photographing was a FORMER-Military installation which has been abandoned for years now. HOWEVER there area is used as a storage facility and it is guarded accordingly.
7.The Greek Authorities are currently undergoing salary decrease to the point that they are paid 550 Euros a month. Moreover they are obligated to BUY their equipment themselves (with their own money) as the Greek Government does not fund them. (As i said .... THIEVES)(Politician's salary is 8500 Euros a month :@) With such low salary the Greek Authorities do not have the proper motive to actually work properly and will do anything to try and earn a promotion (like arresting some "spies")
8.Due to CONSTANT strikes the trial is constantly postponed (last postponement was to November 23 if i am correct).


I do not like when people say bad things about my country when they are not even properly INFORMED.


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#401 Posted at 2012-11-18 22:36        
     
Hi there, could you please share the source of your information? Particulary this part:

# Darthjei : 6.From the reports ,i understand the Police arrested them because they caught them photographing Greek military installations. That is not exactly true because the area they were photographing was a FORMER-Military installation which has been abandoned for years now. HOWEVER there area is used as a storage facility and it is guarded accordingly.

To your #8 as far as I know the court already took a decision over their appeal and bail - denied.

Also since you are Greek could you please tell me if there is some official statement from the Greek prosecutor (or court) regarding the evidence against our guys? I only read some vague report from the very begining of the case and there is a statement of their attorney that all the evidence is very very short segment of a videoclip and I haven't seen that countered anywhere. (I'm aware that they don't need to counter that prior trial takes place, but I think they could make it, if it was untrue, or they don't care about foreign public opinion about the matter?)


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#402 Posted at 2012-11-19 10:53        
     
Closed, some of you are unable to post here on Armaholic respecting our forum rules and our hard work. Even after I must have asked that now 20 times or so.

Go find yourself another website to post all your political crap.





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