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#1 Posted at 2009-04-26 04:03        
     
I have been trying to fly a Plane lately. I like to have big dog fights with the harrier and or biplane every now and then.

Put when i try to turn around or go up my plane stalls and i go stright down. I can land the bipplane just fine but with the harrier its a death trap for me.

At the begining it's Very easy for me to turn and fly and fight. But as i fly it gets harder and harder to control.

I use a keyboard and mouse. My big probem is turns its a pain to do for me D:

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#2 Posted at 2009-04-26 05:17        
     
In one word: Practice.

Practice, practice and even more practice. You should also keep in mind that ArmA is no flight simulation. If flying with keyboard and mouse is too difficult, try a joystick. Some people can fly better with one while other have no problems with flying with keyboard/mouse.

Another thing that might be interesting. With my old and slow PC flying with planes and choppers was a pain. After upgrading to actual hardware for me flying around is just fun.


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#3 Posted at 2009-04-26 17:34        
     
Even though people complain about the flight physics, ArmA's fixed-wing planes do seem to model quite a bit. For one thing, there is this object called a rudder. :) If you don't use it, you'll sideslip and possible stall during a turn. Death usually ensues.

Unless you are part cephalapod - using a keyboard and mouse to fly jets is suicide. Get a good joystick with twist-rudder controls or separate pedals. Also switch from the "turn" bindings to proper roll/yaw/pitch for better control of your airframe's 3-d attitude.

Set up a private mission using the editor to park a pilot player and empty airframe at a big airfield and use that to practice. It's a lot easier than using the solo missions or even the Armory. Once you have gotten some better skills and the control bindings done ( use those buttons on the joystick shamelessly ) start trying out the Armory challenges.

One huge help if you can find one is a good mentor to teach you. Some personal training on a private server with a good pilot can really improve your skills.

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#4 Posted at 2009-04-26 19:23        
     
I turn useing the wasd keys. But when i do that i stall. And i think joy sticks are out of the question it took me a while just to buy this game.


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#5 Posted at 2009-04-26 21:14        
     
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#6 Posted at 2009-04-27 00:08        
     
Try using the mouse for steering the place instead of the keys - with the keys I also can't fly. When you turn press the Q key to accelerate while turning.


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#7 Posted at 2009-04-27 01:12        
     
I would recommmend the mouse. With the keys your turns are really abrupt and uncontrolled because there isn't any type of sensor to see how much force you want to apply. You could even try getting a better mouse if you don't already have one. They're pretty cheap and make a world of difference in detecting moving and playing games. Especially if you upgrade from a goofy ball mouse to a fancy laser sensor mouse.

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#8 Posted at 2009-04-27 05:23        
     
I have an hour in a Cessna 152, and probably a thousand across various flight sims, and I can say that while the flight dynamics in ArmA are closer than other joint arms sims, they are still very far off (limited rudder and tailrotor authority, power loss when making small turns).

How did you land the Harrier? Its inadvisable that you land without hovering. In real life, and in the game, you will seriously damage the Harrier due to its unique wheel layout.

You WILL have to use the keys at some point, such as rolling over 45 degrees. But practice with the mouse first. It's quite easy.


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#9 Posted at 2009-04-27 13:39        
     
I have one of the fancy lazer mouse's. It's called a Logitech. But when i turn with the mouse it is to slow. I allways get poped from behind in the air when i turn with the mouse


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#10 Posted at 2009-04-27 19:08        
     
An-225 : I have an hour in a Cessna 152, and probably a thousand across various flight sims, and I can say that while the flight dynamics in ArmA are closer than other joint arms sims, they are still very far off (limited rudder and tailrotor authority, power loss when making small turns).

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You WILL have to use the keys at some point, such as rolling over 45 degrees. But practice with the mouse first. It's quite easy.

Hmm, a fellow Flight-Sim member! Nice. Got at least 800 hrs in the PMDG 737-800, plus lord knows what in other planes and helos in that program.

I do stand by my assertion that mouse and keys, while do-able, is not optimal in any fashion for ArmA flying. You just run into the limits of that control system too fast. A snap-roll is trivial with a joystick, not so easy with a mouse. Keys alone aren't precise enough to maintain a good lock during a dog-fight and you rapidly run out of fingers to hit keybinds with.

A vanilla Logitech joystick is not that expensive if you are already buying laser mice. The better stuff cost more of course. But I can merge my various controllers by CH Products into one virtual mega-controller with adjustable response curves. That allows me to get more oomph in handling just where I need it.

Also, I rarely fly a airframe with engines at 100%, leave some room in the throttle to boost power lost by turns and climbs. That's basic combat pilot technique.

Please practice in places other than public servers. I recently witnessed a person jump into a Chinook on an ACE Domination server and promptly flipped the chopper over during take-off - killing about 8 players in the process. No one yelled at the guy, but it was clear that he was not qualified to operate that aircraft and never should gotten near the pilot's seat at that point.

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#11 Posted at 2009-04-28 03:21        
     
I don't think I have 800 hours in any one plane, but I've logged a few mostly in the Captain Sim C-130. I usually just fly patterns, because I don't like flying a plane for 8 hours if its not producing a profit.

I use a variety of CH products, the Fighterstick, Yoke and Rudder Pedals. I also have the GoFlight Throttle Quadrant. The problem with having so many controllers, is that ArmA picks up only one. I'm stuck using my Yoke for flying in ArmA, so I just use the keyboard and mouse.

There is actually no in between for engines. Its either 0% or 100%, so you aren't gradually adjusting the power with Q or Z.

Keys are fine for basic navigating, such as making a wide turn. In combat, the mouse is clearly superior though, and you can make fine adjustments.

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#12 Posted at 2009-04-28 15:40        
     
Try using the wizard in the CH Products control manager. You can make a virtual controller of your Fighter Stick and Pedals. Save the map and activate via the Control Center prior to starting ArmA. Then you can bind your controls to that virtual controller via the usual methods in ArmA's control panels. Works like a charm.

There is no need to use mapped mode, but if you take your time to set up mapped controls you can do even more, like setting up a different set of macro commands for land vs air vehicles that you switch betweeen using the mode button on your Fighter Stick. Or different performance curves for different aircraft. :yes

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#13 Posted at 2009-04-29 14:04        
     
I fly with a joystick most the time. Its a little tricky at first but with time it was like riding a bike. And as for the landing of a harrier do it all the time manually i have only had a few problems when coming in but im coming in for a reason so if its not ammo then its repair. A little scratch on landing dont hurt anyone :P.

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#14 Posted at 2009-06-17 14:24        
     
I'm looking to get a joystick for ArmA, hence the search and came across this post.

I can fly pretty much anything with keyboard + mouse. It does take a lot of practise, and a tip for when you turn is to apply more power as you turn to keep up speed. Agree that the rudder is useless at speed, but you can still get a little tweak if you use it. Hardest plane to fly with k/b + mouse is definitely the A-10, its got the trim characteristics of a barn door with a sail!


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#15 Posted at 2009-06-17 14:58        
     
Depends entirely on your budget. I recommend play.com to have a look at em. I have Saitek X52 Pro, its expensive but I love it to bits