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#16 Posted at 2010-05-28 21:41        
     
edgardeth :My point is that "Killing people of different nationalities, military or civilian" is to a sinful thing for god fearing men. (me not included. as i am not a christian)
Getting pleasure and joy from killing in a game. that is truly the road to hell and Satan.

You know, as does everyone else, that you can create your own mission scenarios in this game. As such, anybody can create a "just war" scenario (the only kind I will create or play - in addition to chopper/car/airplane races, etc), which, if engaged in real life, would be neither sinful, nor the road to hell, as long as the motivator was justice and not some vice such as greed or lust, which sadly has occurred.

Please see St. Thomas Aquinas' doctrine on war.


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#17 Posted at 2010-09-20 00:37        
     
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Getting pleasure and joy from killing in a game. that is truly the road to hell and Satan.

I think you might be right. I'm out.


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#18 Posted at 2010-09-20 01:24        
     
WoW this thread soon turned into a topic discussing religious aspects and views, isnt that a rule break? :-D

Just kidding of course, the swearing, bad language, blood, gore in this game are going to be present no matter what as it is a military simulator these things happen, swearing will happen in this modern world of ours and everybody has the right to express their hurt/pain/anger with this altered language of ours.

Personally i have/do/and potentially will always swear as its a just way of expressing myself in the above feelings, I do not however swear infront of loved ones as that to me is a very rude and bad thing.

But alas many people do swear unintentionally, that doesnt mean we can frown upon them and/or feel they are on the road to hell.

Remember “A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult”, “Great men are not always wise”

Swearing/Profanity whatever you would like to call it is an outcome of the modern man and as such will always be included in games (i dont think they have religious versions do they? :-) ), however i think a mod that can oust the swearing in the game can only be a plus for anyone that is insulted by it or in a parents circumstance, to stop their children from hearing it.

This topic has some good views in it which i like to see, though i guess i will always swear (this is in no way an insult to whatever god you believe in) its just an expression :-)

I guess its because i am young and still learning ;-)

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A "Mark Twain" quote:

“When angry, count to four. When very angry, swear.”


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#19 Posted at 2011-02-01 20:48        
     
Hi Viper. I came back around because I reinstalled the game once more. Despite my previous comment above, I'm not altogether ready to denounce video games. Taking pleasure from killing for the sake of killing - absolutely that is evil. However, soldiers practice somehow, don't they?

War "games" have been used throughout history, and the Old Testament Israelites were sanctioned by God on a number of occasions to use extreme violence against the evil nations hardened in sins. David, before he was king, must have practiced with the sling thousands and thousands of times.

In any case, I still only play missions that can be considered just causes for violence - I tend to make my own missions.

# VIPER[CWW] : WoW this thread soon turned into a topic discussing religious aspects and views, isnt that a rule break? :-D

I think the rules are broken when common courtesy is disregarded. Politely disagreeing is not a breach of common courtesy. ;)

Just kidding of course, the swearing, bad language, blood, gore in this game are going to be present no matter what as it is a military simulator these things happen, swearing will happen in this modern world of ours and everybody has the right to express their hurt/pain/anger with this altered language of ours.

Oh I certainly agree with the part in bold, but the underlined part... Well, I'll let you say it in your own words:

I do not however swear infront of loved ones as that to me is a very rude and bad thing.

So you would have to admit, then, that you are saying that people have the right to do bad things, but just not to their loved ones. I certainly disagree.

But alas many people do swear unintentionally, that doesnt mean we can frown upon them and/or feel they are on the road to hell.

When people do admittedly bad things unintentionally, the question has to be asked: Are they trying not to do bad things? Are they at least improving? Or do they feel that they should not have to try to be good for the sake of others?

Questions I asked myself long ago: Do I want to let my environment to define who I am?

Remember “A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult”

Yes indeed!

“Great men are not always wise”

I'm sorry but whoever said that was evidently not drawing his conclusions from history, philosophy or theology.

Swearing/Profanity whatever you would like to call it is an outcome of the modern man and as such will always be included in games (i dont think they have religious versions do they? :-) ), however i think a mod that can oust the swearing in the game can only be a plus for anyone that is insulted by it or in a parents circumstance, to stop their children from hearing it.

Why should parents stop children from hearing it, if they are inevitably going to be "just a part of the modern world" and do it anyway? I think anybody who honestly thinks about it will admit that the thought of children using foul language is sickening to us because many people view them as innocent. Why succumb to the "inevitable" loss of innocence, when instead children can be brought up to have the same moral fortitude in their adult lives as well?

This topic has some good views in it which i like to see, though i guess i will always swear (this is in no way an insult to whatever god you believe in) its just an expression :-)

I'm glad to see that you can have a somewhat open mind and a polite discussion about the opinions of others.

I guess its because i am young and still learning ;-)
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A "Mark Twain" quote:

“When angry, count to four. When very angry, swear.”

I tend to put Jesus Christ quotes before Mark Twain quotes, myself.

"But I say to you not to swear at all"

St. Paul, too:

"Let no evil speech proceed from your mouth"

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Speaking of such missions, I have made one and it will be the first one I've published.

You just finished a commercial flight, and were dropped off with a few others at the southern lighthouse of Pomegratskaya for an ice fishing trip, but something has gone horribly wrong.

The Island of has been surreptitiously infected with a plague that kills instantly and then reanimates the corpse, which then runs about frantically, killing anyone in its path, who then become infected as well. The Marines were already in place, but that doesn't seem to matter.

In this SP Mission you have to "Get to the chopper!". Cliche title, yes, but don't judge it until you try it out.






Get to the chopper!

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You are an off duty civil pilot. You came to Pomegraskaya for some ice fishing, when lo and behold a sudden onslaught of infected! One of your colleagues has left your chopper at "the lighthouse", or so he said. Great! There are only three other lighthouses on the island to choose from! You will need to search vehicles and bodies in order to find what you need to get out alive.


Features:
  • Random time of day
  • Random date
  • Random weather
  • Random loot


  • Installation:
    Place the .pbo into your Arma 2/Missions folder.


    Media:
    Zombie_Hoodoo, Zombie_Chase and excerpt from Good Night FINAL (musics track from Incompetech.com)
    Also, one bonus track if you complete the secret bonus objective


    Change log:
    v1.0.1
  • Removed player test waypoints that were accidentally left behind.


  • Notes:
    Look around for loot and don't expect it to be the same each time!

    Possibly others addons are , since I made it with Ace running, as well as CBA and JTD fireandsmoke. Actually I have lots of addons running, so I apologize if I missed something, or if there are other dependencies I have not listed.

    PM me if there is any trouble, and I'll try to fix it if I can.



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    #20 Posted at 2011-02-01 22:16        
         
    Viper[CWW:
    “Great men are not always wise”

    irongrip1:
    I'm sorry but whoever said that was evidently not drawing his conclusions from history, philosophy or theology.

    Actually Vipers quote is very true, General Patton wasn't all that wise in school (USMA) but was a mastermind on the battlefield. Same goes for many other men, I just forgot who they are.

    "If a man does his best, what else is there" - Gen. Patton
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    #21 Posted at 2011-02-02 13:17        
         
    Intelligence and knowledge are what school proposes to challenge. Wisdom, is a completely different animal. I still disagree with the statement that Great men were not always wise, and here is why:

    I understand "great" to mean "of note, worth remembering for having consistently and knowingly performed actions of merit or valour, which impacted the world for good"

    Someone who might have been at the right place at the right time and done the right thing by chance, on the other hand, is not "great". But to knowingly and consistently put yourself in the right place at the right time and take the right action to bring about change for the better requires wisdom, which is not about how much knowledge or intelligence a person has, but how they use what knowledge and intelligence they do possess (even if it is very little) to soundly guide their decision making processes with foresight and prudence.


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    #22 Posted at 2011-02-03 00:42        
         
    @irongrip1

    Please submit your mission in the correct way, adding it to the end of your religious views and/or opinions is not a good way to get it noticed.


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    #23 Posted at 2011-02-03 11:07        
         
    VERY fun indeed,,, very random indeed,,, very good performance even my old and slow pc could run it smoothly
    i can chose to fight with the remaining marines and fight the endless wave of zombie for fun,,, or leave them to get tear apart,,, very fun and replayable...

    but where do i go after i got the key and got the chopper started? and those empty ur fuel tank trigger remain active so u will be in trouble if u run into one of those while u r in the air (which i did)? and dose this mission even has a end trigger?

    and it would be nice if some people actually carry those RH pistol pack ammo, i only run into a desert eagle at the 3rd times playing this mission but look all over the place not 1 bloody dead body has the ammo for it... :( is like WTF y make people DL the dam RH pistol pack (even its a 10/10 pro level awesome mod) if u can't use the goodies.

    and if ther is a COOP version would be much nicer


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    #24 Posted at 2011-02-05 12:03        
         
    What a mess.
    Please start a new topic about your mission in the missions complete section (MP or SP), as soon as you did that I will clean this topic.
    Also, check your PM's. Thanks in advance ;-)


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    #25 Posted at 2011-02-06 22:20        
         
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    You sir, are a douchebag! How can you rant about religion and then play any game that features violence. I bet you play Grand Theft Auto, running around banging and then killing whores. You will probably die from erotic asphyxiation.

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    #26 Posted at 2011-02-06 23:03        
         
    And you sir are breaking the forum rules. Warning level +1, topic locked as I had enough of this anyway.





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