2017-10-12 08:49   Posted by Belbo

wtf?!

  2017-10-12 09:02   Posted by Tobur

unbelievable, dude are you nuts??? @Armaholic: get your stuff together and ban this guy

  2017-10-12 09:08   Posted by Winters86

Class act bro...super tasteful

  2017-10-12 10:01   Posted by z80cpu

This is so unkool and just WRONG. I would have no issue with it if you changed the name. Many INNOCENT people were MURDERED and you make fun of it?

4 comments and ALL NEGATIVE - Get a clue.

  2017-10-12 11:06   Posted by scoe

BI released the Laws of War DLC only a month ago — I think they would pretty clearly disapprove of something like this.

I am not fan of censorship, but somewhere there has to be a line. Arma offers an incredible sandbox to its players. The only thing that keeps it from becoming a terrorism/civilian killing simulator, which this mission is, is the good sense of the community. If we, as a community, allow missions like this a platform then there will be more and it will get worse. Suicide bomb attacks and more mass shooting scenarios equipped with a kill counter will start popping up because all the pieces are there and easily assembled. If that happens there will be backlash against BI and Arma, and I think we owe it to them to help prevent that.

  2017-10-12 12:03   Posted by FireWalker

I think from a technical or analytical aspect, you should modify a little bit of your code.

1) To allow for the horrible reliability of a bump-fire stock I think the POS's guns should have about a 30% chance to jam. Make it so the time required to clear the jam is random from about 15 seconds to about 60 seconds. Or the POS has the option to pick up another firearm.

2) Don't allow an unlimited supply of rifles. (I haven't had a chance to turn this on yet, so maybe you've alreay done that.) Personally I think you should just have some guns and ammo laying around that you have to pickup, and not sitting in an ammo crate.

3) Maybe give the civilians the ability to take about 10% or 20% more damage than normal.

4) It would be interesting to add the ability to use the LoW and see how many civilians you can save in the crowd.

5) Perhaps rename this. Or pay respect to the people who lost their lives for nothing.

Anyway -these comments are biased towards using this as an analytical practice. I'm trying to remain objective, no matter what my personal feelings are about this. This is ARMA, and its why we all love it, you can do practically anything.

...You would NOT want this to get out to social media, BIS would pay the price, not the players/users.

  2017-10-12 12:35   Posted by WaKAMole

Although I understand the community's concern about the timing and subject-matter of the scenario, I have to speak out against the calls for bans and censorship.

The ArmA series is designed (ostensibly) to simulate combat/warfare, and over the years the community has produced and published countless scenarios and game-modes which draw heavily on real-world entities/events to contribute to immersion and possibly invite the player to reflect on real-world issues.

The Laws of War DLC is a good example of A3 content which highlights (admittedly more tastefully than this scenario) the oft-ignored but very real issues of proportionate use of military force and collateral-damage. Countless people, both civilian and military, have died due to the use of cluster-munitions, UXO, IEDs, etc ... Yet nobody calls for censorship because few ArmA community members can relate to such issues.

Another commentator makes a good point that BI could face backlash because of such community projects, but judging by the myriad of potentially volatile issues raised by ArmA community content in the past, I'd argue they have considered this risk before. There are further examples of this disconnect between real-life issues and the reaction they get in ArmA:
- Mil-Sim insurgency missions where players drop JDAMs on civilians indiscriminately. Realistic issue, no censorship
- Altis Life & similar scenarios where players attack civilian targets or aggressively police servers based on
in-game ethnicity or account localization. Realistic issue, no censorship
- Terrorism based missions where players are encouraged to use asymmetric warfare and target civilians/ armed forces in the furtherance of a real/made-up terrorist ideology. Realistic issue, no censorship

I was appalled when in 2015 the British Daily Mail accused an Armaholic community member of supporting a terrorist organization because he had released a faction mod depicting ISIS, accusations which forced said community member to take his content down. This approach runs completely counter to the underlying purpose of ArmA as a series, which is to (hopefully) provide players with a slightly more realistic perception of the concept of combat, terrorism and warfare.

If we continue to push for censorship of the community content which we personally find offensive, even though all it does is offer a reflection of the real-world, we will never learn anything from our ArmA experiences, and this just becomes another mindless shooter.

  2017-10-12 12:45   Posted by proftournesol

Censorship my a**, this is just disgusting.

  2017-10-12 13:41   Posted by AUTigerGrad

This is disgusting and you should be banned permanently from armaholic. Don't try to pass this crap off as anything more than a sick recreation of a senseless mass murder of men, women, and children at a concert. @wakamole Don't try to defend this garbage either. There is a difference between running mil sim operations fighting insurgents and pretending to be a heartless POS firing into a civilian crowd. You make me sick for creating this. Foxhound...you should know better man. Can't believe you are allowing this to be on here.

  2017-10-12 13:49   Posted by scoe

@WaKAMole — valid points which I considered before commenting earlier. However, in addition to this being closely based on an actual mass shooting (not the concept of civilian casualties in war and during insurgency) that took place less than two weeks ago, the author has not treated the tragedy with true seriousness or respect. The image above the kill counter makes that clear.

This also is not the same as the ISIS content reported on by the Daily Mail, which was appalling reporting, or life servers which allow similar gameplay and carnage as GTA and other games. That is the nature of sandbox games. This scenario is a casual mass shooting simulator based entirely on a recent national tragedy. I understand the arguments for leaving it up and don't think there should be much made off limits, but common sense dictates that this scenario should not be promoted or offered a platform in the community.

  2017-10-12 13:51   Posted by darko333

If a video of this mission arrive to a TV network... another scandal like "ISIS use ARMA for recruiting" of some months ago... Very dangerous for Bohemia. (Sorry for my poor english) - DELETE THE DOWNLOAD!

  2017-10-12 14:09   Posted by bennyboombotz

I'll rephrase a previous comment that armaholic felt was to harsh for mission that encourages you too kill as many people as possible, and that directly reflects and tries to mimic the worst mass shooting in American history. This is a disgrace that you even though that it is ok that you made this. This is a game, but just cause it is a game doesn't mean it doesn't have real world effects. When you made this you disgraced the dead and injured and hurt a game that we all love to play. Take down this mission, and please consider that what you has effects more people than just yourself (victims, victims' families, and the games reputation).

  2017-10-12 14:12   Posted by [KH]Jman

Armaholic, I would urge you to remove this immediately. It is not only distasteful to the memory of those killed and their families but you do a disservice to the whole Arma community that you purport to support.

  2017-10-12 14:39   Posted by eTrout

To the author - publishing this mission is in exceedingly poor taste. It is cruelly insensitive at best and you ought to have known better.

To Armaholic - making this mission available after the internal community has expressed significant objection is not serving your objectives and will only bring disgrace and disrepute to our beloved Arma.

To the community - we all are subject to terms of use conditions when we publish and comment. The principal of free speech is relevant to the individual who may speak unpopular ideas publicly without reprisal from the state and for the publishing media to do likewise. Free Speech is not a right nor even a basic principal on a private website. This website is run for and by the Arma community, and the community must decide what it will tolerate.

Armaholic must act decisively and quickly or this will be all over cnn by dinnertime.

  2017-10-12 14:57   Posted by Von Quest

Extremely disappointed in Armaholic...
I am considering removing all 7 of my projects. This clearly crosses a line. Too far.

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