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#1 Posted at 2009-04-19 08:59        
     
Hi guys.

I just made this comment into the latest terrain news bit:
Armaholic news team: this is NOT 2048x2048km (KILOMETER) map. please take the "km" off from the news post.
Also for the technical terrain making viewpoint, when a terrain maker tells you that "IVE MADE A 1024x1024 MAP!" it means absolutely NOTHING when he doesn't tell you the cell size. He just told you a grid size only, if he leaves out cell size the terrain can be anything from tiny 2km map to a huge 51km map. Please, please I'm begging you be correct with this, false news only fuel the "mappers" posting false/foolish information.

I would suggest if map maker wont tell you the grid (large size) and cell (small size) numbers, then leave out the grid size completely as its useless. Here is few examples.

It frustrates me as terrain developer how these guys (newbie and experienced alike) report their map size by just telling the grid size. I mean its like in a bar you walk up to a girl and say "hey look out the window, there is my car, you wanna riiide?" and she looks out and sees two cars next to each other a Ferrari and a Pinto. Now... shes like what the heck is this guy all about, how would I know WHICH car hes meaning, the outcome of that line is completely dependent on the specific car hes talking about. You understand what I mean now? :)

So if you say I made a 4096x4096 map it might mean tiny with the 10m cell size, or it might mean absolutely huge with the 50m cell size.

Hmm come to think of it, I need to make a nice table with all the possible grid/cell sizes listed so people finally understand and start to use the proper terms.

Anyways, just thought Armaholic news team wanted to know that so you guys can post proper news ;)

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#2 Posted at 2009-04-19 09:27        
     
Do u notice it's a quote?

That it only reproduces what the author said?


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#3 Posted at 2009-04-19 09:55        
     
No need to get defensive, I'm here to help you guys out be explaining the intricacies of terrain making business.

I suggested in my post that you should leave out the "km" part from such posts that are blatantly insane like he last one (2048 kilometers times 2048 kilometers).

I'm now in the process of preparing a page which explains everything related to terrain grid/cell sizes, so you guys can reference that every time a map maker reports fishy sounding map size.

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#4 Posted at 2009-04-19 10:05        
     
I'm not defensive.

I'm just saying that i can not change what other person says. If he is wrong or not i don't know. You say it's wrong and probably is true, but if the author wants to correct it or give that info next time we will see it.

Would you correct me if i type something about my work?. I mean if i say something you really have no idea?, of course you wouldn't if u are smart enough. This is the same, we have no idea how those things work, so if the author says 2000x2000 km it's what he wanted to say, or he made a mistake which you pointed and if he sees it he will correct it.


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#5 Posted at 2009-04-19 10:08        
     
Thanks Snake Man, that will be very helpfull :)

As Big says we are depending on what kind of information people submit. We lack the knowledge about these kind of things. Any passing on from "faulthy" information is done without us knowing otherwise it would have been corrected. Only when people like you do now inform us about these things we can correct it.

Reading the topic title "false information in news....." did make me quickly read this topic when I just woke up. I guess reading it that way pushes anyone of our staff in a defensive position.
But now I see what you are on about its good to see you actually mean to help with getting things forwarded to the public correctly :thumb

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#6 Posted at 2009-04-19 10:14        
     
BTW i would have chosen "Erroneous information ..." instead of "False information..." unless you know he was trying to "cheat" or "lie" :D

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#7 Posted at 2009-04-19 10:45        
     
OK lets start this again; I like armaholic.com that's why for example I try to correct that news post, so you guys / your site wont be reporting "wrong" news.

What wording I used... well dunno if the topic "false information" sounds offensive or something, that was never my intention towards Armaholic or its staff, I just quickly wanted to report this kilometer issue. So I'm sorry if I sounded like attacking armaholic itself.

Actually come to think of it, perhaps I should have PM'ed this info, but then again I don't know which one of your admin/news guys are awake at what time, so a topic would be read "live" and not when specific person wakes up.

Anyways... I hope we are clear now that I just wanted to help with no malice intentions or even an attitude behind it ;)

BTW the initial page for terrain grid/cell size information is up now, its not complete because there is few items I want to add to paint more complete picture, however you can already get a basic idea how the terrain sizes go. In a nutshell; if news is submitted for "1024x1024" terrain, just ignore the whole 1024 part because it is useless alone. Here is the page: Terrain grid and cell size explained.

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#8 Posted at 2009-04-19 11:05        
     
It's not offensive to me, nor other members, it's just a wrong title :D

I was just having some fun, playing around with the mistakes/errors someone can make while talking/typing.

I understand your point of view, but it's up to the "real" authors to provide the right info. I, many times, fix spelling errors in quotes and sometimes i think i shouldn't change what other said, but i can't help it :D. But changing the meaning it's a different thing, cause you have to be in other people's brain to know it.

That's what i meant before. I didn't see your post as an attack to Armaholic nor the Author, but as a clarifying and helpfully comment. Anyways i think you didn't express yourself in the best way.


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#9 Posted at 2009-04-19 15:41        
     
Big : I understand your point of view, but it's up to the "real" authors to provide the right info.

That is exactly what came to my mind as I read the initial post. It's up to the map maker to deliver the facts of his map. If some... person is sending a news about his 2048 "killer map" but nothing else except the one or other screenshot, there's not much to do other than posting the news as delivered.

You can't expect that the team here is running after them asking about the cellsize used or the correct square kilometers size of it.


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#11 Posted at 2009-04-19 21:45        
     
W0lle :That is exactly what came to my mind as I read the initial post. It's up to the map maker to deliver the facts of his map. If some... person is sending a news about his 2048 "killer map" but nothing else except the one or other screenshot, there's not much to do other than posting the news as delivered.
You can't expect that the team here is running after them asking about the cellsize used or the correct square kilometers size of it.
Well, luckily this grid size issue is settled now and there will be no further erroneous news posts like this :)

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