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#1 Posted at 2011-01-25 02:30        
     
Same with Chernarus. ArmA players are usually very blunt and to-the-point, why the extremely thin curtain? If Chernarus is in a literal sense a model of a region of Yugoslavia (?), why can't we just call the areas by their real names? Same with Takistan, BI said that they used sat texes and geodata to build the map from a region in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Just curious.

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#2 Posted at 2011-01-25 02:40        
     
I would think it's because of political unrest, Medal of Honor got flamed because you can play as a Taliban terrorist.

If BIS named the country's that they intended them to be the game may get banned in that country and or country that is an ally (referring back to the MoH thing banned on Military bases in US and I don't know about UK but took some heat from them as well).

Why does BIS care? My guess is because sales will go down and that many more people can't enjoy ArmA.

Not confirmed just a guess.

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#3 Posted at 2011-01-25 02:48        
     
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#4 Posted at 2011-01-25 02:50        
     
I would think that BI's sales would increase from the publicity of having their game banned (in a place where it's not going to sell anyway) while staying true to their fan's desire for realism and simulation.

It would actually be a bloody brilliant move.

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#5 Posted at 2011-01-25 11:43        
     
I am sure someone with enough time would be able to work out where the locations are based. You may find the Takistan map is based off a place in france and just devoid of trees and that Chernarus if based off somewhere in the Shahara desert just with trees addd in.

Its fair to say all kit is based off real equipment and its also fair to say places are based off real areas. I guess its down to liabelous and such like...

Think how CODMW2 went down with the airport scene and the news...there is gaming then there is stepping over the line somewhat. It would be the same if they had a WW2 RTS with Gaschambers in... its lines and crossing them for various reasons.


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#6 Posted at 2011-01-25 12:44        
     
So you find using a real location to base your game comparable to putting the gas chambers in a ww2 game? Seriously? It's people with crazy right wing opinions like that that cause games to get banned and create mass hysteria!
I don't see anything wrong with using real life locations, did you complain about storming the beaches of normany in medal of honor? Or dropping behind enemy lines and taking carentan in brother in arms? Did you also kick up a fuss when you where fighting your way through the streets in Vietnam in black ops or battling your way across my countries capital city and watching it get torn apart in mw2, no? I didn't think so, so why all the fuss with the new medal of honor? I have served for 10 years now and hVe been posts in remote crap holes around the world and been involved in several conflicts and I don't find any offense in playing as the Taliban, do vets that server during the cold war find offense playing as Russians in arma? I don't think so! Does anyone complain that the horror of the Vietnam war is recreated in games like bfbc2 Vietnam? I don't hear complaints about being able to play as the Vietnamese!
And why would you want to play a military SIMULATOR if you don't want to experience realism?


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#7 Posted at 2011-01-25 20:13        
     
Well I guess we can thank the community and Addon creators for bringing the realism to the table. *BRAVO*

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#8 Posted at 2011-01-25 21:43        
     
# daveygary1979 : So you find using a real location to base your game comparable to putting the gas chambers in a ww2 game? Seriously? It's people with crazy right wing opinions like that that cause games to get banned and create mass hysteria!
I don't see anything wrong with using real life locations, did you complain about storming the beaches of normany in medal of honor? Or dropping behind enemy lines and taking carentan in brother in arms? Did you also kick up a fuss when you where fighting your way through the streets in Vietnam in black ops or battling your way across my countries capital city and watching it get torn apart in mw2, no? I didn't think so, so why all the fuss with the new medal of honor? I have served for 10 years now and hVe been posts in remote crap holes around the world and been involved in several conflicts and I don't find any offense in playing as the Taliban, do vets that server during the cold war find offense playing as Russians in arma? I don't think so! Does anyone complain that the horror of the Vietnam war is recreated in games like bfbc2 Vietnam? I don't hear complaints about being able to play as the Vietnamese!
And why would you want to play a military SIMULATOR if you don't want to experience realism?

Point taken however, I wasn't saying me I was stating a possible view. My base was Hearts of Iron genere, a concern raised by the developers was people developing mods that focussed somewhat on 'The Final Solution' it was that they wanted 'nout' to do with so its stuck in my mind since as a line crossing schematic.

As for MOH and BIO thats what friends are for as I don't buy into crap FPS Rollercoaster ride games ;) :D

This isn't about what I state its about line crossing and developers covering their rears from potential solicitor (or lawyer depending on location) bills. Its a trigger for the majority of businesses the good olde world of litigation etc.


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#9 Posted at 2011-01-25 22:36        
     
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As for MOH and BIO thats what friends are for as I don't buy into crap FPS Rollercoaster ride games ;) :D

*STOP* MoH was an Awesome game (the new one), if you played it and finished it the only complaint you would have is it was too short!

Back on topic:

I'm with Dave on this one.

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#10 Posted at 2011-01-25 22:56        
     
BIS never used any real locations and I see no reason why they should. I'm perfectly fine with fictional countries and armies.

What difference makes it if Takistan is called Afghanistan? None.
And if they would use real world counterparts a lot of people would start bitching about equipment not being correct. It's way easier to have a fictional environment.


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#11 Posted at 2011-01-26 02:33        
     
W0lle:
...a lot of people would start bitching...

The community is bitchy.

W0lle:
What difference makes it if Takistan is called Afghanistan?

It doesn't, honestly, but the reasons why is just stupid (my opinion).

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#12 Posted at 2011-01-26 02:50        
     
@ I Feel Your Pain
It's not. I'm quite sure that Chernarus is in fact Yugoslavia. (Quite an excellent model, would like to be corrected if wrong)
About gas chambers. That is the reality of what happened. It may be fucking horrible but that is what happened to several million people. If a dev can examine the reality of WW2 in a respectful unforced manner I would enjoy regression from arcade-style games.

+ Infinity Ward is probably going to get some shit now, with the news. No Russian was a publicity stunt that was in horrible taste.
+ The plot of SOCOM FBII was genocide. Literally. It executed it's plot in a necessary, respectful manner. Excellently done all around, and I heard no complaints from the world at large.

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Takistan wouldn't be called Afghanistan. Afghanistan is modelled ingame and named "Takistan". A slice of a serbian nation (Yugoslavia?) is called Chernarus. Also, I thought that BI strove for military correctness in their games, especially after QG?

>BIS never used any real locations and I see no reason why they should. I'm perfectly fine with fictional countries and >armies.

I see reason why they should, and I am somewhat disenfranchised with ficitional armies in a hard simulator.

TL:DR Afghanistan is named Takistan, not the other way around.
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My thoughts exactly. Censorship of such trivial magnitude is saying that Twain can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it.

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ArmA is a virtually unknown game. It would be great for the series to get some MSM attention. Besides, would anyone on these forums be upset if Gamestop didn't carry it, or if it was "banned"? It's reality. Reality deserves some respect.

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#13 Posted at 2011-01-26 04:27        
     
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Reality deserves some respect.

That's kind of hypocritical to say when you mention what you said to W0lle & I_feel_your_pain, how can you respectfully re-enact mass genocide?

I'm not going to drive on with this as politics and unnecessary debating will occur and I'm almost certain it is against the rules.

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#14 Posted at 2011-01-26 11:23        
     
Its got to stage of horses for courses.

I also think some have missed the mark when it comes to metaphors and nit picking at the wobbly bits ;)

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#15 Posted at 2011-01-26 13:48        
     
# Walter :It's not. I'm quite sure that Chernarus is in fact Yugoslavia. (Quite an excellent model, would like to be corrected if wrong)
I heard it was modeled on a region of Czechoslavakia erm, Czech Republic. Go figure.
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Debating the subject makes about as much sense as debating the paper-weight content of the games packaging.
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