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#61 Posted at 2010-02-17 19:25        
     
Hey,

I would say that Finland has the best military of the world! :P

We don't have very advanced technology, nor do we have much men, but we have the best fighting spirit! And in WWII we fought against the Soviet Russia. And we kept our frontlines against them with a kind of a guerrilla warfare, as we were outnumbered heavily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Look at the statistics >: )


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#62 Posted at 2010-03-20 15:14        
     
Blackhawk : If you define best as "which individual Army is most likely to win a war against a foreign power?", then the answer is undoubtably the United States. Although they have a smaller Army than the Chinese in terms of manpower, their technology is, at this time, far superior making them more likely to succeed in all out war.


Not only that, the US has some of the most advanteges in knowledge of tactics.


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#63 Posted at 2010-03-20 15:35        
     
"which individual Army is most likely to win a war against a foreign power?"

The one which pushes the big red button first is the answer to that I think.


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#64 Posted at 2010-04-21 11:56        
     
Guys i am afraid he is right, No country is in anyway online with the U.S army, skill, technolegy, diciplin, size they have it all. i am not from the US so dont try to say that i say this beacause of that.


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#65 Posted at 2010-04-21 13:14        
     
Since the question is so vaguely formulated I'll be a bit liberal in the answer.

From the response given by nations under UN military protection I'd say Sweden's military is the best in the world, because our military has a mentality that doesn't make us the crazy gun-nuts that most other nations foster their soldiers into. Kosovo, Afghanistan, Kongo, just to mention a few, have all said how they generally prefer Swedish soldiers doing the peacekeeping.

On top of that our soldiers are trained to, and do, take more individual initiative to solve a problem. Examples are US soldiers in Kosovo that had got a flat tire on an APC but they didn't know how to/dare to change it, and thus waited until the mechanics could get there with escort, that were four hours away, while Swedish troops would have fixed the problem themselves if capable.

Another example is a US camp that lost its power supply. It was as simple a glitchy cable to the generator, but the soldiers had been told that it was the specialists' rensponsibility to tinker with the generator, and thus no one even checked such a simple thing first, to see if they NEEDED a technician or not to look at it.

We might not be the best fighters since our nation lack war experience, we don't overall have as advanced stuff as for example USA, France, Germany and UK who all have a bigger budget, but it feels like the quality of the people (i.e. we want them to still be people. Not brain-washed weapon-platforms) in the military is pretty high, and that the training to be autonomous and self-reliant makes us exemplary soldiers, even if not having the resources to be an invasion force. Actually the only nation I know I like the soldiers of, aside from Sweden, is the UK. UK soldiers in general are so disciplined and professional they don't do all the fuss and nonsense and abuse of force others commonly perform.



Oh, and for those mentioning Navy Seals and Delta force and Green Berets and whatever as the best units of the world. They are very good - yes. But they are also VERY niched. They all have small fields of responsiblity when compared to other nations' special forces, where one single branch of special forces is likely to have to cover at least two of those areas at the same time (i.e. naval/amphibious special forces and then the rest). Not to mention that Navy Seals have a habit of *losing* the special forces competitions held around the world, be it against SAS, Fjälljägarna or the Foreign Legion.
I know that the competitions aren't the one and only merit when it comes to fighting, but it is a nice indicator ;)

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#66 Posted at 2010-04-21 15:19        
     
uglystranger : Guys i am afraid he is right, No country is in anyway online with the U.S army, skill, technolegy, diciplin, size they have it all. i am not from the US so dont try to say that i say this beacause of that.




Their discipline & size is not the best, China has a bigger army, and the United States Army/USMC aren't the most disciplined soldiers, not saying they are rowdy or anything. I agree that the United States probably is the strongest Army. But just correcting you.


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#67 Posted at 2010-04-22 00:43        
     
Inkompetent :On top of that our soldiers are trained to, and do, take more individual initiative to solve a problem. Examples are US soldiers in Kosovo that had got a flat tire on an APC but they didn't know how to/dare to change it...
...Another example is a US camp that lost its power supply...
Your colors are showing, my neutral(?) friend.
But, given that you are taking those isolated instances to characterize the initiative of the crazy-gun-nuts US volunteer force, I suppose someone else could come along and 1, 2, 3, just as easily apply the same reasoning to judge the can-do-no-wrong Swedish conscripted force.
Neither would be accurate...nor fair. So why?


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#68 Posted at 2010-04-22 01:09        
     
US Army all the way Hooah!


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#69 Posted at 2010-04-22 01:22        
     
Japonaattori : We don't have very advanced technology, nor do we have much men, but we have the best fighting spirit! And in WWII we fought against the Soviet Russia. And we kept our frontlines against them with a kind of a guerrilla warfare, as we were outnumbered heavily.
Look at the statistics >: )
The US had 416,800 and we split our Military in half and fought 2 enemies. And the US is one of the best simply for the fact we are able to fight wars without having our entire structure commited to one conflict. I mean, we invaded Afghanistan, and then Iraq while still keeping the capability to wage war anywhere else in the world. If the N. Korans launched somethin off at the same time we invaded either we still have strike forces in Japan and S. Korea to take care of the problem.

Right now people have to take the US up the ass whether they want to or not :dozingoff

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Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial.

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#70 Posted at 2010-04-22 10:07        
     
Dogz :The US had 416,800 and we split our Military in half and fought 2 enemies. And the US is one of the best simply for the fact we are able to fight wars without having our entire structure commited to one conflict. I mean, we invaded Afghanistan, and then Iraq while still keeping the capability to wage war anywhere else in the world. If the N. Korans launched somethin off at the same time we invaded either we still have strike forces in Japan and S. Korea to take care of the problem.
Right now people have to take the US up the ass whether they want to or not :dozingoff

Well, then USA is one of the larger countries in the world with over 300 million citizens and pretty much the world's single largest economy, AND it is a country of waroholics putting an unproportionally large amount of money into their military compared to most other nations. :P


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#71 Posted at 2010-04-22 10:23        
     
NoQuarter :Your colors are showing, my neutral(?) friend.
But, given that you are taking those isolated instances to characterize the initiative of the crazy-gun-nuts US volunteer force, I suppose someone else could come along and 1, 2, 3, just as easily apply the same reasoning to judge the can-do-no-wrong Swedish conscripted force.
Neither would be accurate...nor fair. So why?

Just saying that when I talk to soldiers having been in peacekeeping-forces they tend to pick out USA more than any other nation when showing soldiers that are pretty incompetent at anything that doesn't have to do with shooting. They are good fighters, although prefer to call in big guns/bombs to shoot the living crap out of anything that's fired a round at them (which is understandable out of a soldier safety perspective). We Swedes generally don't even have any real capability over that of small arms and mortars, meaning that if not another nation supports us with it we can't really blast the whole area to bits. I guess the occupied/peacekept people generally like the non-use of 1000lbs bombs and 155mm howtizers ^^

Heck, I can pick on another country just for the sake of it. A swedish foot patrol got pinned down by a machine gun in an apartment building, and since other forces were just around the corner they called for assistance instead of risking taking it on by themselves. It so happens that the Danish were the ones responding to the call having a whole platoon of MBTs coming up, who literally shelled the building until it collapsed (quite good gunners I must say considering the limited HEAT/HE ammunition), just for one single machine gunner.


Oh, and our army isn't really concripted anymore. And definitely not the expeditionary/peacekeeping forces. They are 100% professional. We draft so few soldiers per year to military service that even if we got into war and every one that had done military service was conscripted we'd have a quite small army.
We've even changed policy now to that the home guard is to stand for 50% of Sweden's standing defense (which is a dramatic increase in size of the home guard), and home guard soldiers are also viable for expeditionary forces.
Everyone in Sweden that is doing peacekeeping WANT to be there doing peacekeeping. They even get to pick which country.


PS. Nice article finds though. Hadn't read the last one before.

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#72 Posted at 2010-04-22 15:13        
     
Dogz has just demonstrated that arrogant attitude that most of the US Army has, thus why people do not choose the US.


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#73 Posted at 2010-04-26 01:39        
     
A thought came in my head too. About 2 months ago it came out that over 3 million American citizens own a hunting license. That's three million who not just have a normal assault rifle but a high powered rifle made to take down 200lb targets from hundreds of yards away.
Altogether there's roughly 22 million gun owners in America. Wow...

So, I think deffence wise America would be best off. Out of 22 million gun owners and 3 million who are greatly exp. and all the U.S. Army reserves and Army national guards on our homeland it would be pretty hard for a nation to single handedly take us down. Plus we got gangsters who don't take crap. :D

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#74 Posted at 2010-04-26 07:45        
     
id choose the vietcong there victory over usa is one of the moast spectacular and inspirational in all war history

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#75 Posted at 2010-04-26 10:34        
     
Modedit:
Please do not post the same remark multiple times. The remark your posting has only value if you post it once. Post it multiple times and I consider it flambatting and for such the forum rules will apply.

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